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Why I’m removing my HPD Catch Can

Fitting a catch can to a modern turbo diesel is extremely important. I wrote a post some time ago, covering this, and mentioning that I installed a catch can from HPD, or High Performance Diesel. You can read more about this here – Is a Catch Can important on a modern turbo diesel?

Many of you know that I am extremely thorough in my research, and like any products I fit to my Dmax, I spend a lot of time researching and weighing up the pro’s and con’s of each option before I lay my hard earned down. I detest buying things twice, and will pay for a quality product the first time over several cheaper units that don’t work as well.

Even well before buying the Dmax, I was doing research into what people recommended, and catch cans were high up there on the list of first modifications you should do to your 4WD.

I read a myriad of forums, commercial posts, sales spiels and comments from owners of MUX and Dmax’s online. The overwhelming majority of people recommended the HPD, with a few people mentioning the Provent 200 as well. Beyond that though, the HPD unit comes in a complete kit with all the brackets, had a great reputation, was Aussie made and was supposed to work well. There must be thousands of these fitted to various 4WD’s in Australia. They’ve got to be good then, yeah?

Isuzu Dmax Catch Can

The HPD catch can on my Isuzu Dmax

What’s the purpose of a catch can?

The single purpose of a catch can is to filter blow by gasses from the crankcase, and remove as much oil/fuel/water vapour/carbon soot as possible. If you fit a catch can or separator and it doesn’t do this, or it does it poorly then you’ve essentially bought a paper weight. Beyond this, it needs to separate the fluid without creating a pressure drop. In other words, the air needs to flow into the catch can, through it and out the other side with as little as possible restriction, or this can cause other issues.

Catch can efficiency testing

Not long after writing the post, I received an email with a study from Curtin University, where they tested 12 common catch cans for their ability to catch oil, and you know what? The HPD catch can was the forth worst performer. To make things worse, it wasn’t even remotely close to the performance of many of its competitors. In terms of a catch can review, the HPD faired very poorly.

HPD vs Provent

Efficiency vs flow rate, with CF2.1 being the Provent 200 and CC1 the HPD

When I first read the report, I was pretty gutted. I’d blown $385 on a HPD catch can and it was barely working. How could I, and so many people get it wrong in recommending the High Performance Diesel catch can?

In the report, the Flashlube catch can pro, Provent 100 and 200 are the best performers by a country mile. I always suspected the Provent’s would filter a lot more than the HPD, but had no proof. Thinking about it logically, it makes sense. A German engineering company making a catch can with a proper fibrous filter is always going to catch more than a catch can with 4 sets of mesh with an aperture of around 0.5 – 0.8mm on the inlet and outlet. In fact, the results show the Provent catches vapour 5 times more effectively.

In summary though, here’s the catch cans filter quality factor:

  1. Flashlube Catch can (CF 1.2)
  2. Mann and Hummel Provent 200 (CF 2.1)
  3. Mann and Hummel Provent 100 (CF 1.1)
  4. Mann and Hummel Provent 150 (CF 1.5)
  5. Unbranded wire mesh catch can (CF 2.3)
  6. Unbranded fibrous element catch can (CF 1.3)
  7. Unbranded Fibrous element catch can (CF 2.2)
  8. Unbranded wire mesh catch can (CF 1.4)
  9. HPD catch can (CC1)
  10. Taipan wire wool catch can (CC2)
  11. Calibre catch can (CC3)
  12. Mann and Hummel Cyclone with no element (Cyclone)

In terms of pressure drop, capture efficiency and quality factor the Provent 200, and Flashlube take the cake overall.

Catch can comparison

Filter quality comparison between 12 catch cans

Of course, this publication has been put online, and you can read it for yourself here – Catch can study. You will have to sign up to download it, but the report is free. You will get an invoice for $0.00.

In the interest of being completely transparent and sharing everything I’ve learnt, I will mention that the funding for this study at Curtin was provided by Mann and Hummel (the manufacturers of Provent). They paid for a completely independent test to be done, so there would be no conflict of interest.

Provent 100 catch can review

The Provent 100 catch can separator

My independent results

I’ve had the HPD catch can fitted to the Dmax for 27,000km. It was fitted when the Dmax hit 2000km. When I first installed it, the hose clamps supplied by HPD didn’t clamp their new hose onto the OEM barb properly and it did weep a bit of oil out. I fixed it with proper worm drive hose clamps, and have removed all of the oil recently. It’s caught just 65ml of oil. That’s 24ml of oil for every 10,000km.

HPD Catch can inside

The inside of a HPD catch can, with layers of stainless mesh on the inlet and outlet

What does the Provent catch?

By my research, Provent’s fitted to the 4JJ1 motor (same as mine) are collecting 100 – 150ml of oil every 10,000km. That would line up with the 5 x better filtration than the HPD I have experienced!

Obviously, there are a lot of variables at play here – engine oil viscosity and age, engine condition, how the engine is driven and many more. Despite this,  from what I have seen on new 4JJ1 motors (under 50,000km), the Provent catches a LOT more.

Provent separator filter

The Provent separator filter, which is fine fibrous material

Other things to think about

When you buy a catch can, there are other things to consider. Obviously how effective it is at removing vapour is a huge consideration, but  consider these too:

Ease of draining

Before you buy a catch can, look at how they are emptied. The Provent has a drain on the bottom, which most people attach a hose to that comes out near the inner guard. Every so often you get a container under the hose, crack the tap and let it empty.

The HPD catch can has a metal bowl on the bottom which you are supposed to unscrew. There is no chance in the world I can get this undone without removing the catch can. If you have small hands or a filter wrench you can undo it, but the much easier way to empty the can is to suck it out using a big syringe and tube.

Physical size and mounting position

One of the reasons I didn’t get the Provent 200 to start with was their physical size, and where they mounted in off the shelf kits for the Dmax. The only kit that was sold for my model Dmax put the catch can where our secondary fuel filter had to go, which created a problem. If you put dual batteries in your Dmax or MUX you have an even bigger problem, as the Provent, secondary fuel filter and battery all need the same space, so what do you pick?

Of course, I’m more than able to knock up brackets to mount it elsewhere, but the Provent 200’s are seriously big and finding somewhere under the engine bay near the crankcase outlet that isn’t going to interfere with anything else is a mission in itself.

Cost of changing filters

The Provent’s have separators (fibrous filters) that need replacing. The recommendation is somewhere between 40,000 – 75,000km. They are about $80 a pop. The HPD has no filters, and therefore no ongoing costs. You’ll find this is the biggest grudge that people hold who own Provents, but if you take a step back and actually weigh up how much it adds to your overall maintenance bill, its not much. Lets say you replace it every 50k; its $1.6 every one thousand kilometres.

Some people cheap out and install mesh filters into their Provents, or buy the cheap copies. If you do the first, you’ll lose most of its filtering ability, and the latter can result other issues you really don’t want to deal with.

Pressure on the motor

You don’t want to put any back pressure on your motor. This is done by fitting catch cans that don’t allow enough air flow through them, or allowing them to fill up and block up. Hoses (or inlets/outlets) that are smaller than the factory ones are a sure way to identify a catch can not suited to your motor. The Provents are sized based on recommended industrial engine CC’s, at high load.

I have spoken to Mann and Hummel, who tell me the Provent 100 is more than suitable for a standard 4JJ1 motor. That said, if you can fit a Provent 150 or 200 it is a better option in terms of offering longer separator/filter/element life. I would suggest if you have substantially more power and torque than stock, or you work the motor hard (towing something heavy for example) get the Provent 150 or 200.

Provent catch cans come with a relief valve that opens if the pressure builds up too much. HPD have nothing like this, but because the filters are much less fine the chances of back pressure is substantially less. There is a chance of the dipstick on the HPD popping out under pressure, as long as the hose outlets aren’t over the top of it. I don’t know what sort of pressure you’d need to do this though, as they are quite tight around the 0 ring.

Provent 200 review

The Provent 200. All of their units have in built pressure relief valves

Quality of construction

The HPD kit is well made, there’s no doubting that. However, they do lack in some areas:

  • The bracket holding the catch can up rubs on the brake lines unless you bend them over. This could have easily been rectified in the design phase (or at least mentioned in the instructions). I simply bent the brake line a tiny bit.
  • The air intake hose clamp (under the catch can) rubs on the catch can unless you rotate it, which is not mentioned in the fitting instructions.
  • The plate on the bottom of the bracket to make it sit level is not exactly the right thickness (out by around 0.5mm on my vehicle), which puts extra stress on the panels. I have seen a photo of someone’s cracked inner guard where the catch can bracket bolts to. I suspect it is due to the uneven surface, but also because the bracket can move back and forth over corrugations. A lot of people report vibrations/noises coming from the inner guard after fitting a HPD catch can, and I concur with this. Even though they are aluminium, they are still a heavy unit.
  • The hose clamps that came with the catch can was not suitable for the hose they provided. You could easily pull the hose off the crankcase hosetail even with their clamp on, and this meant that oil would weep out as well, all over the side of your motor. I put up with it for a while, but eventually changed the clamps to worm drive ones and it never leaked again.

I can’t comment on the quality of the Provent as I’ve never had one, but they are one of the most common catch cans world wide across everything from light vehicles to heavy machinery.

Where to from here?

I’m not really sure. I feel pretty bummed to be let down by the HPD catch can given how it was marketed to me, but I’m going to remove it and try something else. I was specifically told that these catch nearly as much as the Provents, which obviously is false. In my opinion removing as much oil from the intake is critical on vehicles that run an EGR system, and I want to change it to something else that is going to catch as much as possible.

Ryco have just released a catch can (although I hear its actually bigger than the Provent 200!), and I have heard good things about the Seper8tor as well. I’d like to fit a Provent 200, but will need to spend some serious time trying to see if it will fit, and making up a custom bracket.

There is some more testing going on behind the scenes at Curtin University too, which will hopefully result in some more useful information I can pass along.

Update June 2019

A few months ago, Western Filters released a dual mounting bracket, which allowed me to install a Provent 200. The Provent unit goes on one side near the firewall, and the fuel filter (which was in this spot and stopping me from installing a Provent) goes on the other side of the bracket. With a larger battery its a tight fit, and not the easiest installation, but its done, and now I know I have a quality catch can installed. 

I’ve documented all of the kilometres, and collected all of the oil from the HPD catch can. In due course, I’ll do another write up with the results, and how they compare.

Please don’t be upset with the findings

If you own a HPD catch can, I understand you are probably not too happy reading this right now. I’m sorry; I really am. I feel the same way. I write this purely to share what I’ve found. I get no financial incentive either way. You can agree or disagree with what I’ve written; that’s your call. This is just my findings, and the research laid out for you to read. Do me a favour though, and leave a comment below with what catch can you run, and how much oil it catches.

The HPD Catch can is a decent, Australian made product that works, just not nearly as well as some of its competitors.

What catch can do you run? Are you happy with it?

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64 comments… add one
  • Jason June 6, 2019, 3:26 PM

    Purchased 2019 PX3 Ranger 3.2 fitted the HPD can at 25kms after picking the car up and driving it home from the dealership.

    I feel a little bit dejected reading this info,
    I Just reached 1000kms mark and checked the dipstick, noticed oil spray on the dipstick and oil spray in the bowl.

    I will record my results as the kilometres roll on and update.

    Fingers crossed for good results.

  • Aaron Schubert June 6, 2019, 5:02 PM

    Hey mate,

    Sorry, but I bet you’d rather know than not! I too felt very dejected when comparing it to other people’s results.

    My Provent 200 is nearly here; swapping the HPD out

    Aaron

  • nick June 13, 2019, 7:26 PM

    BEWARE anyone looking to purchase HPD or TAipanXP catch cans!!!! these companies do produce quality products however catch cans are certainly not within their remit of expertise and considering what they charge they should be ashamed.

    Thanks for the review.
    HPD should thank you for your closing remarks. Considering that the HPD can costs more than the Flashlube can, had I been in your situation I would have been scathing towards HPD.
    The fact that a product is Australian made does not make it good if testing proves that the performance is less than acceptable. The same applies to the TaipanXP can.

    Cheers,

  • Aaron Schubert June 13, 2019, 8:33 PM

    Hey Nick,

    Yep, I’m not impressed with the HPD Catch Can. Nevertheless, I have a brand new Provent 200 here that is ready to go in when I get some time. I’ll do a comparison between the Provent and HPD, but I think we both know which one is going to catch more oil.

    All the best mate
    Aaron

  • Andrew June 16, 2019, 7:45 PM

    Hey Nick,
    This has been a real eye opener. I fitted a cheap oil catch can to my old diesel turbo some time ago, after cleaning the intercooler etc. It became obvious quite quickly that there was still residue getting past the can. What I really am worried about is the fact I had to reduce the hose diameters to fit the hose fittings on the can. I will be looking into getting the correct catch can this weekend and just hope I haven’t caused any damage.
    All the best

    Andrew

  • Aaron Schubert June 16, 2019, 8:51 PM

    Hey Andrew,

    Yep, reducing hose diameters is not a good idea at all. Western Filters are the guys you want to speak to in regards to a decent catch can

    Aaron

  • James July 1, 2019, 1:20 PM

    Hi mate,
    I have a 2007 Rodeo which has just had the EGR taken off and cleaned after an engine light came on. Now that its just been cleaned it seems like a good time to put one of these on. Could you share a photo of that new bracket with the Provent and the fuel filter so I can get an idea of spacing? Cheers

  • Rayden July 1, 2019, 4:56 PM

    H again Aaron,
    Was preparing the truck for a big trip next week so checked the recently installed HPD can. Had only done just over 1000kms with it and it had a good +50mls. Thought that was impressive?

  • Aaron Schubert July 1, 2019, 5:08 PM
  • Aaron Schubert July 1, 2019, 5:10 PM

    Hey Rayden,

    That seems like a lot. What motor?

    Aaron

  • Gareth July 1, 2019, 5:53 PM

    Unfortunately, i also have a HPD catch can fitted. I fitted it to my 2015 Dmax at 85,000km. I now have 120,000km on the clock and was amazed at the small amount of oil in the can.

    When i first fitted the catch can i very quickly noticed that i’d have to remove the bracket to be able to remove the cup & empty the can.

    I hadn’t heard of HPD until i spoke to Ultimate Diesel Tuning about getting my vehicle tuned. The guy i spoke to raved about the HPD catch can being so much better than the Provent. He said they exclusively use HPD for this reason.

    I couldn’t afford the tune at that time but i bought a catch can, bigger intercooler & hard pipes directly from HPD.

    Today, after reading this article, i have bought a Provent 200 & once it arrives i’ll be swapping it for the HPD.

    I’m now wondering about whether i get a tune from Ultimate Diesel Tuning given their obviously uninformed opinion on the HPD catch can.

    Very disappointing.

  • Aaron Schubert July 1, 2019, 7:58 PM

    Hey Gareth,

    A lot of people seem to be misinformed. My Provent has been on for a few hundred kilometres so far. I will update the blog when I have some concrete results. Let me know how yours goes too mate

    Aaron

  • Marco July 5, 2019, 3:22 PM

    I suspected the HPD unit would not cut the mustard, it has two screen mesh mounted horizontally in the unit. Firstly, the screens are too course, secondly, mounting the screens horizontally would not allowing the oil to gravitate quickly down but rather pool to the point it is heavy enough to drip. While waiting to drip more air pressure would rush past the drip and possibly suck the oil further along the pipe route. I could be wrong with this second thought, but there are no section cuts through the filter to determine how the oil would behave.

    I have another thought, why can we not retro fit a normal oil filter system to do the same thing, this way you can replace the filter relatively cheaply and have multiple physical barriers for the oil to get caught onto.

    These are my thoughts only and would invite constructive criticisms to be shared.

  • Aaron Schubert July 5, 2019, 7:58 PM

    Hi Marco,

    HPD run 4 sets of mesh on the inlet and the outlet, so it has to go through 8 sets all up. That said, I agree with what you have said in terms of how it gets pushed through. The filtration is a balance between removing as much muck as possible without restricting the airflow, as this has very nasty consequences. I’m happy to put my faith into Mann and Hummel who have a substantial amount of engineering pouring into their products. No doubt there are lots of different options, but getting the balance would be tricky and expensive

    Aaron

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